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	<title>Comments on: For What May We Hope? Historical Materialism and the Question of Socialism</title>
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		<title>By: Anders</title>
		<link>http://www.solidarityeconomy.net/2006/12/13/for-what-may-we-hope-historical-materialism-and-the-question-of-socialism/comment-page-1/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I growingly think that a &quot;retooled&quot; Democratic Party would be a superior choice to starting up a market socialist political party. For one, the American Left is such a fractious joke; it takes two hands to count the number of recognized socialist political parties. This infighting, paired with the post-Reagan hostility towards anything openly &quot;left&quot; or &quot;liberal,&quot; would result in a major legitimacy crisis, which isn&#039;t really advisable when being taken seriously is the first paramount goal to setting up socialism in the U.S.

Secondly, our political landscape is mercilessly two-party. It will take eons before instant-runoff voting or similar alternatives will make third parties viable in any way. True, the party bosses are shamelessly conservative in all respects, and have erected many obstacles to true structural reform. But when I think of the need to radically change irrelevant and oppressive institutions, my mind immediately goes to LBJ - not LBJ the president, mind you, but LBJ the senator. This was a man who - in an era of apartheid, and in a governmental system that slavishly adhered to the rule of seniority - got Southern barons to vote on civil rights bills, (temporarily) dismantled the committee seniority system that always kept the Southern committee heads in power, and even got lots of liberals to head Senatorial committees. It takes phenomenal leadership (and a little bit of conniving), but no institution is immune to subtle minds like his.

Finally, I can think of one other reason why an &#039;infiltrated&#039; Democratic Party would be the superior choice. Let&#039;s assume the best happens: worker solidarity pulses through the air, &quot;socialism&quot; loses its pejorative sting (at least for the kinds of people we need), and left-wingers are starting to gain serious political power. Undoubtedly there will be another &quot;Red Scare&quot; in some form or another. The elite will not passively sit by. Given our history, and given their control over information, we can bet that their retaliation will be ruthless. Worker solidarity may counter the elite&#039;s means of control so the cause stays galvanized, but the witch hunts will certainly claim the careers of many sympathetic people in power - people whose institutional power is vital for structural reform. But if those public figures are members of a mainstream majority party, a great deal might be spared from the full blow of the assault. Enough might remain to champion (and/or politically strongarm) the workers&#039; cause sufficiently enough to make the PERMANENT STRUCTURAL CHANGES that are necessary.

Needless to say, establishing a socialist wing of the Democratic Party would not be easy. It would present its own challenges. The first and foremost would be to unite the disparate elements of the labor movement, in conjunction with the cooperative movement, under one banner. Both (especially the latter) are very embittered towards the Democrats&#039; love affair with neoliberalism; it would take a lot of clever strategy to get them all aboard the same vessel. Hammering into the collective head of the Left that unity (let alone being in bed with the Democrats!) is the only possible means towards victory would be difficult, but an equally important thing to be wary of would be maintaining our ideals. It would be too easy to sacrifice core principles for political gain. Politics, of course, demands a certain moral flexibility, but a careful balance between idealism and pragmatism must be paramount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I growingly think that a &#8220;retooled&#8221; Democratic Party would be a superior choice to starting up a market socialist political party. For one, the American Left is such a fractious joke; it takes two hands to count the number of recognized socialist political parties. This infighting, paired with the post-Reagan hostility towards anything openly &#8220;left&#8221; or &#8220;liberal,&#8221; would result in a major legitimacy crisis, which isn&#8217;t really advisable when being taken seriously is the first paramount goal to setting up socialism in the U.S.</p>
<p>Secondly, our political landscape is mercilessly two-party. It will take eons before instant-runoff voting or similar alternatives will make third parties viable in any way. True, the party bosses are shamelessly conservative in all respects, and have erected many obstacles to true structural reform. But when I think of the need to radically change irrelevant and oppressive institutions, my mind immediately goes to LBJ &#8211; not LBJ the president, mind you, but LBJ the senator. This was a man who &#8211; in an era of apartheid, and in a governmental system that slavishly adhered to the rule of seniority &#8211; got Southern barons to vote on civil rights bills, (temporarily) dismantled the committee seniority system that always kept the Southern committee heads in power, and even got lots of liberals to head Senatorial committees. It takes phenomenal leadership (and a little bit of conniving), but no institution is immune to subtle minds like his.</p>
<p>Finally, I can think of one other reason why an &#8216;infiltrated&#8217; Democratic Party would be the superior choice. Let&#8217;s assume the best happens: worker solidarity pulses through the air, &#8220;socialism&#8221; loses its pejorative sting (at least for the kinds of people we need), and left-wingers are starting to gain serious political power. Undoubtedly there will be another &#8220;Red Scare&#8221; in some form or another. The elite will not passively sit by. Given our history, and given their control over information, we can bet that their retaliation will be ruthless. Worker solidarity may counter the elite&#8217;s means of control so the cause stays galvanized, but the witch hunts will certainly claim the careers of many sympathetic people in power &#8211; people whose institutional power is vital for structural reform. But if those public figures are members of a mainstream majority party, a great deal might be spared from the full blow of the assault. Enough might remain to champion (and/or politically strongarm) the workers&#8217; cause sufficiently enough to make the PERMANENT STRUCTURAL CHANGES that are necessary.</p>
<p>Needless to say, establishing a socialist wing of the Democratic Party would not be easy. It would present its own challenges. The first and foremost would be to unite the disparate elements of the labor movement, in conjunction with the cooperative movement, under one banner. Both (especially the latter) are very embittered towards the Democrats&#8217; love affair with neoliberalism; it would take a lot of clever strategy to get them all aboard the same vessel. Hammering into the collective head of the Left that unity (let alone being in bed with the Democrats!) is the only possible means towards victory would be difficult, but an equally important thing to be wary of would be maintaining our ideals. It would be too easy to sacrifice core principles for political gain. Politics, of course, demands a certain moral flexibility, but a careful balance between idealism and pragmatism must be paramount.</p>
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		<title>By: David Schweickart, SolidarityEconomy.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schweickart, SolidarityEconomy.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think political parties will remain relevant.  Itâ€™s hard for me to imagine a transition taking place in any other fashion, at least not in a developed country.  Whether the vehicle will be a new party or a retooled Democratic Party remains to be seen.  Not only did the fundamentalists take over the Republican Party, butâ€”from them opposite side of the spectrumâ€”the antiwar folks took over the Democratic Party briefly in 1972, giving us the  McGovern candidacy.  Party rules were hastily rewritten to keep this from happening againâ€”but who knows if thatâ€™s insurmountable.  You donâ€™t know the door is locked until you try to open it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think political parties will remain relevant.  Itâ€™s hard for me to imagine a transition taking place in any other fashion, at least not in a developed country.  Whether the vehicle will be a new party or a retooled Democratic Party remains to be seen.  Not only did the fundamentalists take over the Republican Party, butâ€”from them opposite side of the spectrumâ€”the antiwar folks took over the Democratic Party briefly in 1972, giving us the  McGovern candidacy.  Party rules were hastily rewritten to keep this from happening againâ€”but who knows if thatâ€™s insurmountable.  You donâ€™t know the door is locked until you try to open it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It truly is refreshing to hear any sort of optimism on the left, considering today&#039;s preponderance of whiny, defeatist liberals and - who could forget - their fear-mongering, apologist right-wing counterparts. But what I really appreciate about your optimism, David, is how you build it into such a well-constructed (and empirically tested) model, ready for action. If I were already an educated man, rather than a 20 year old law-student-to-be, I&#039;d be in the front lines now as we speak. But I&#039;ll jump into the fray soon enough. ;)

The points you made about this new, democratic mass-awakening made me instinctively think of praxis: what we can do NOW to build the foundations for a grand coalition that will weather - and capitalize upon - the storm when it comes. 

Specifically, do you envision a separate socialist party to be the political vanguard for Economic Democracy? Or perhaps people of a left-wing persuasion would infiltrate the Democratic Party like the fundamentalists did with the GOP in the 1970&#039;s and 80&#039;s? Or would political parties even be relevant if and when the elite&#039;s means of control falter before the tide of the newly-conscious masses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It truly is refreshing to hear any sort of optimism on the left, considering today&#8217;s preponderance of whiny, defeatist liberals and &#8211; who could forget &#8211; their fear-mongering, apologist right-wing counterparts. But what I really appreciate about your optimism, David, is how you build it into such a well-constructed (and empirically tested) model, ready for action. If I were already an educated man, rather than a 20 year old law-student-to-be, I&#8217;d be in the front lines now as we speak. But I&#8217;ll jump into the fray soon enough. <img src='http://www.solidarityeconomy.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The points you made about this new, democratic mass-awakening made me instinctively think of praxis: what we can do NOW to build the foundations for a grand coalition that will weather &#8211; and capitalize upon &#8211; the storm when it comes. </p>
<p>Specifically, do you envision a separate socialist party to be the political vanguard for Economic Democracy? Or perhaps people of a left-wing persuasion would infiltrate the Democratic Party like the fundamentalists did with the GOP in the 1970&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s? Or would political parties even be relevant if and when the elite&#8217;s means of control falter before the tide of the newly-conscious masses?</p>
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